The Truth About “Not Enough Waste to Burn”
Foodthink Says
This article has been adapted from the content of that podcast episode.

This Episode’s Guests
Mao Da
PhD in Environmental History, Chair of the Shenzhen Zero Waste Environmental Public Interest Development Centre and initiator of the “Toxic-Free Pioneer” campaign. For twenty years, has been involved in solid waste and environmental health projects across multiple environmental organisations. Their current work focuses on the sound management of chemicals, green e-commerce, addressing plastic waste pollution, and promoting zero waste principles in practice.
Sun Jinghua
Nature name “Lotus Pod”, Director of the Waste Reduction Project at Friends of Nature and Editor-in-Chief of the popular science book The Magic Book of Waste. For many years, has been deeply engaged in public education and science communication in the fields of waste reduction and sorting, zero waste in schools, and beyond.
Yu Yang
Foodthink editor, who recently has been pondering the toxic relationship between plastics and humans.
This Episode’s Host
Chang Tianle
Founding editor of Foodthink; convener of the Beijing Organic Farmers’ Market.
I. What Is Everyone So Excited About – “Not Enough Waste to Burn”?
Yu Yang: The blogger goes by “Keji Dasima“, I think – I even visited his homepage to have a look. He essentially approaches technology from an industrialist faction’s perspective, but apart from this “Not Enough Waste to Burn” video and another titled “AI Lasers Replace Pesticides”, his other videos haven’t gained much traction. The reason this video attracted so much attention, making a public long frustrated by waste management suddenly so approving of incineration, may be that incineration represents a blunt, one-size-fits-all solution – no matter what the substance, just throw it in the incinerator and burn it all away. There’s a kind of catharsis in that.

Then on WeChat, many people messaged me privately: “Have you seen this video? Is it really true?” Quite a few of them had even attended our teacher training programme on waste and life. I told them: I’ve spent two or three days teaching you all for nothing – how have you forgotten even the basics? Think about our waste hierarchy: incineration ranks second from the bottom. It’s merely a marginally better option than landfill or indiscriminate dumping.
II. Is There Really Not Enough Waste to Burn?
Tianle: Just by observing your own or others’ lifestyles – all those disposable cups for milk tea, the various plastic packaging from takeaway and courier deliveries – you can sense that the volume of waste people generate has been steadily increasing. So why has China built so many waste incinerators?

III. Can Incinerators Control Dioxin Emissions?
Lotus Pod: Friends ask me whether incineration can now fully control dioxin emissions, and whether real-time monitoring is maintained. I tell them: at most, a facility’s dioxin emissions are tested once a year. Can you really call that real-time monitoring?
Mao Da: In practice, to get a comprehensive and accurate picture of dioxin emissions from incineration, you need periodic or semi-continuous sampling and monitoring. But the legally mandated emission testing is just once a year; add voluntary monitoring on top of that, and at best you get three or four readings a year. In many places, facilities may be reluctant to carry out monitoring due to cost, or if monitoring does reveal problems, they stop doing it altogether. But if we look at the scientific literature, we find that dioxin accumulation in soils around certain incinerators is elevated compared to control sites, and in some areas the concentration of dioxins in the air is higher than expected.
Lotus Pod: In 2020, Friends of Nature sued an incinerator in Jiangsu called Daji over non-compliant pollution emissions, and we won the case. If we could use legal channels to address every incinerator that fails to meet emission standards, things would be better. China’s incineration technology has certainly improved on the safety front compared to over a decade ago, but the problem now is simply that there are too many incinerators.

IV. Why Isn’t Incineration a Panacea?

Tianle: And there are always materials that aren’t really suited to incineration, such as glass or food waste.
Mao Da: Yes. Waste incineration burns carbon-containing materials and releases them directly as greenhouse gas emissions. We all know how frequent extreme weather events have become. Food waste is the last thing that should be burned – most of what we eat is carbohydrates, and once burned, it turns into greenhouse gases. Plastics and timber are also carbon-rich, so burning them releases greenhouse gases too. Suppose we skip all the sorting and recycling we’ve discussed, buy freely, use freely, discard freely, and send everything to incinerators or landfills – the consequences are something we simply cannot afford.

Tianle: Exactly. I’ve noticed that the waste collectors in my residential compound don’t take glass bottles either.
Mao Da: Yet incinerators can’t burn glass bottles either. Incineration isn’t a panacea – when we deal with different materials, we have to consider whether they’re even suitable for burning. With glass, the question should be how to improve its reuse and extend its working life – that means returning bottles to the factory for refilling. If you check the outside of a glass bottle for wear marks, you’ll know for certain it’s been reused.
Tianle: Glass is widely regarded as a far safer food container than plastic, so it’s a real shame it has such a significant drawback.
Lotus Pod: It really comes down to the fact that new glass is so cheap to produce that manufacturers would rather use a fresh bottle than have one collected back, because the cost of processing reclaimed glass can be very high.
V. V. Health Risks of Plastic Food Packaging

Mao Da: PLA is a relatively biodegradable material, but it may still need additives to give it certain functional properties, including substances that are difficult to break down or that carry endocrine-disrupting and carcinogenic risks. Additives in food packaging can contaminate the food itself. Researchers in North America have run experiments of this kind quite often: order Western fast food – which relies on single-use plastic packaging – every day for several weeks, and you’ll find that plastic-related additives enter your body in far greater quantities than through a normal diet.
Compared with microplastics, the health hazards of chemical additives are more clearly established in the scientific literature. Certain substances with definite risks are deliberately added in. For example, phthalate plasticisers– their most obvious effect is endocrine disruption, acting essentially as synthetic oestrogen. When children are exposed to these plastic additives, girls can develop precocious puberty and boys can suffer abnormal development of their reproductive organs. We know a doctor at a maternity and child health hospital in Hangzhou who has observed that the rise in boys with hypospadias in recent years may be related to this exposure. And then there is bisphenol A, which everyone is familiar with by now – it too is an endocrine disruptor that affects women’s reproductive health.
Tianle: I think breaking free of our dependence on plastic packaging is like quitting smoking or drinking – everyone understands the reasoning, but the distance between awareness and action is enormous. What’s more, the health impacts of these plastics creep up on you so gradually.
Mao Da: Exactly. Today’s parents know to choose bisphenol A-free baby bottles, but there are other risks we aren’t aware of. Take type 3 PVC, for instance – commonly found in mooncake trays and egg trays – it’s the form of PVC most dependent on additives. People may not realise either that in the industrial production of ready meals, the plastic pipes used during processing can also leach harmful substances.
If you enjoy baking, take note: those cheap mooncake trays you find online may well be made of PVC. Cling film is another area where PVC and non-PVC products coexist. The government has stipulated that PVC must not be used for plastics that come into contact with meat, oil or fat, but how is an ordinary consumer supposed to tell the difference in daily life? It’s just too difficult.
VI. A New Kind of Plastic Pollution from Takeaway Packaging
Then there’s the issue of single-use cutlery. Every time I order a takeaway, I request no cutlery, yet the restaurant sends it anyway. It’s probably because restaurants are so busy during the midday rush that they don’t bother checking the notes – one glance could delay packing an entire order, or they worry that not including cutlery might invite a bad review, so they simply apply a standard approach.

Lotus Pod: Nowadays, takeaway orders typically come in composite bags. The government has banned businesses from providing non-biodegradable plastic bags – the old-style carrier bags with looped handles that used to be everywhere have essentially been prohibited. If a shop provides them, they face fines. So what do businesses use as replacements? One option is non-woven fabric; the other is biodegradable bags. But biodegradable bags are soft and flimsy – they tear easily or the bag tips over, causing the food to spill. That’s when composite bags emerged to fill the gap – they offer structural support and look good, but from a waste management perspective, composite bags are far worse than ordinary plastic bags. Waste collectors don’t even accept them, because composite materials contain layers of plastic, non-woven fabric, and sometimes even aluminium foil, making it extremely difficult to separate them for recycling. Non-woven fabric bags, on the other hand, are made of a uniform material and are comparatively easier to process.
Tianle: So today, takeaways not only cause an overabundance of conventional plastics but also generate a whole new category of packaging waste that’s extremely difficult to process.
Mao Da: Exactly. In another sense, they are “new pollutants” – since they are so hard to recycle, all that’s left is to send them to be burned.
Lotus Pod: I’m someone born in the 1970s who grew up in the hutongs of Beijing. Back then, taking out the rubbish had its own name – “dao tu”, literally “tipping the dirt”, because the waste was mainly ash and slag of that kind. Even as a child, I knew things like glass bottles and toothpaste tubes were recyclable. Now the range of waste keeps getting “more diverse” – more and more types of packaging simply cannot be recycled, and even the low-value recyclables that might still be recoverable find no takers.

VII. Farewell to Simplistic and Crude Waste Incineration
Tianle: When I think about this, it feels deeply unfair. Take our Beijing Organic Farmers’ Market – we’re a small, non-profit-making venture, yet we willingly invest time and labour in cutting down on plastic and promoting reuse. Big businesses, though, won’t even bother.

Tianle: We never hand out new bags, and we encourage customers to bring theirs back – we collect them and offer them free of charge to other shoppers. On top of that, some of the egg farmers at the Organic Market use cardboard trays and rice husks for packaging, which are very easy to recycle. Of course, some farmers still use polystyrene foam cups to hold the eggs inside cardboard boxes. Even so, as long as customers return the packaging to the market, we save it all up and post it back to the farmers for reuse. It really comes down to whether the seller cares and is willing to invest a certain amount – packing is a labour cost, and sending it back is a delivery cost.

Tianle: By comparison, major chain supermarkets like Hema and JD.com could easily set up a recycling area to collect the many unnecessary boxes that come with shopping. If those boxes are clean, the supermarket could return them to the manufacturers for reuse – at scale, that’s an economy of scale in itself. Fresh food e-commerce platforms like Hema and Xiaoxiang today essentially all have their own delivery fleets. They could simply take the bags back while handing over the goods to the customer. I recall that SF Express has a cold-chain service where the delivery van takes the insulated cold-chain boxes back with it – a really good approach.
Lotus Pod: Yes, you could even consider charging a one-yuan deposit per box. Customers could open the boxes on the spot after their purchase, or bring them back a few days later, or even have the delivery rider collect them on a subsequent visit – the deposit would be refunded either way. Friends of Nature published an article on 30 March that explored some ‘creative ideas’ for reducing packaging on fresh food platforms. For instance, scheduling the delivery time in advance to ensure the customer is home, so the rider can hand the items over directly without needing a bag.
Some of Hema’s policies are unreasonable and need to change: they stipulate that any online purchase must be bagged – even if you collect it in store – with a one-yuan packaging fee. You can apply for a refund, but many people don’t know that rule exists. Some voucher designs are problematic too – certain vouchers can only be used online, effectively forcing consumers to place orders through the app. And then there’s the sheer number of boxes at Hema – the name is so apt, it’s nothing but “boxes”. You can’t opt out of receiving them, you can’t return them after you’ve bought, and even if you open them on the spot and hand them straight back, they still just end up thrown away.

VIII. Building Your Own Connection to Waste
Mao Da: What we advocate is Zero waste – a simple motto: buy better, buy less, use longer. Of course, waste will always be produced, and recycling can solve a great deal. Leaders of organisations and workplaces can take the lead with small experiments and build a little system that pulls everyone along. I know a sanitation services company that set up a tiny vegetable garden on their office rooftop, creating a small composting loop on site. Friends of Nature and many fellow organisations can offer technical support, so you don’t have to start from scratch. And please consider supporting our environmental groups – Foodthink, Friends of Nature, and Shenzhen Zero Waste. Become Monthly donors, and we’ll help you turn ideas into reality.
The last point is about building a personal connection with your own waste. Our most primal concern has always been ‘I don’t want rubbish piling up on my doorstep.’ But now that waste is whisked away so quickly, we forget the value of sanitation workers. We need to recognise that waste isn’t somebody else’s problem – it is closely tied to our own lives.
Yu Yang: I agree with Mao Da – we need to build a connection between waste and daily life, but making that connection stick really does face difficulties. Take ordering takeaway, for instance. We’ve interviewed people who don’t order on a whim; it’s woven into their whole work and life rhythm. Many people work overtime after their shift ends, so exhausted and pressed for time that they’ll casually place a takeaway order on the metro. Unless that rhythm changes, changing behaviour is very hard.
Another thought I had was about reuse. At the moment, people see reuse as rather avant-garde – turning scraps of old fabric into a backpack is one form of it, and in the art world there’s even collage art built on the same principle. But when I was little, that’s exactly how my grandmother patched my clothes. For traditional ways of living, this kind of reuse was simply life itself. So I think if we can truly weave the idea of recycling into everyday life – make it an unconscious habit – the shift in what we do might become much easier.

Compiled by Li Ye |
Edited by Yu Yang
