Everything Green Is a Vegetable, Everything That Moves Is Meat: Food and Biodiversity
Foodthink Says
For ordinary people, the most direct way to take part is – through eating! Through eating, we can appreciate the beauty that biodiversity brings, but we can also harm the environment and even drive species to the brink of extinction.
How can we eat responsibly? Not long ago, Foodthink and Tencent Science Channel’s programme Species on the Table invited four guests – a farmer, an ecologist, an anthropologist and a natural-history writer – to discuss the complex relationship between food and biodiversity, centring on foraged wild greens.
Round-Table Guests

I. The Yunnan View of Wild Greens: Everything Green Is a Vegetable, Everything That Moves Is Meat
Three years ago, she began systematically documenting the natural-history life of a market in Kunming, including over 300 varieties of foraged wild greens. Excerpts have been published in the literary magazine October. How did you come to focus on the subject of wild greens?
Ban Xia: Let me start with a story about wild greens! It was around 1997. I had just begun writing fiction and went to Pu’er – which was still called Simao at the time – to attend a writers’ gathering. At the event, I met Huang Yan, a Hani woman writer. Afterwards she invited me to visit her home. When it was time to cook, I noticed that her kitchen had only some meat in it – I couldn’t see any vegetables. Just as I was wondering, she asked me to step outside with her. We walked around behind the house twice, and she found three kinds of wild greens. She said to me: “Did you know? For us Hani people, everything green is a vegetable, and everything that moves is meat.”
Two of those wild greens had rather peculiar names – one was called Xuantong vegetable, after the Xuantong Emperor, and the other Xianfeng vegetable, after the Xianfeng Emperor. I knew what the Xianfeng vegetable was – it was the common Spanish needles that cling to your clothes when you brush past them, spreading their seeds that way. I was quite puzzled: why would Spanish needles go by such a name?
These days, when I get the chance, I also go foraging for these wild greens myself. You pick the tender tips of the Xianfeng vegetable, blanch them briefly in water, toss them cold with a light dressing, and they are absolutely delicious.
Tian Le: “Everything green is a vegetable; everything that moves is meat.” The first time I heard that saying was from a Jino friend in Xishuangbanna. Yunnan is truly a biodiversity hotspot in China. Li Ruijun, also from Kunming, has told me a similar story. He holds a master’s degree in anthropology from East China Normal University, is a freelance writer, and currently works as a research consultant for food documentaries. He has extensive fieldwork experience and has long focused on the culture, food customs and multispecies relations of Yunnan’s ethnic minorities.
Li Ruijun: For my undergraduate studies I conducted research on Jingpo food culture. When I arrived, I found that they only needed a bag of salt and a bag of rice to go out for a wild meal. On the mountains and along the rivers, they knew which plants were edible – all that knowledge was stored in their heads. The men carried a machete; they had no kitchen utensils, so they cut bamboo sections and all sorts of banana leaves right on the spot. From the food itself to every cooking vessel, everything was sourced entirely from nature. I am a Kunming native myself and thought I already ate quite a variety of wild greens in everyday life, but after spending time with the Jingpo people in Dehong, my whole concept of what constitutes food was broadened enormously. Their knowledge of wild greens is simply extraordinary.
II. The Farmers’ Market with the Most Varieties of Wild Greens in the World
Ban Xia: After I took early retirement in 2020, I didn’t have much to do, so I thought I should find something to occupy myself with. As it happened, my home is only 300 metres from Zhuanxin Farmers’ Market in Kunming – a five- or six-minute walk – so I started going in every day and would browse for as long as I felt like it. Sometimes I would make a special trip just to buy a piece of ginger, or another trip for a few peppercorns. The more I browsed, the stronger my desire became to identify all the unfamiliar ingredients. I often share what I find on my own social media channels, and others share theirs too, which sparked a great deal of interest. Now, Zhuanxin Farmers’ Market has become a trendy check-in spot.

Ban Xia: I am willing to say this outright – the varieties of foraged wild greens at Kunming’s Zhuanxin Farmers’ Market are not just the most extensive in China; they are the most extensive in the whole world. Yunnan’s extraordinary diversity of geography and landforms has given rise to ethnic diversity and biological diversity, which in turn has produced an extraordinary diversity of ingredients. At farmers’ markets elsewhere in the world, there probably would not be enough people willing to try all sorts of wild greens. But our ethnic-minority brothers and sisters here in Yunnan – the Hani, the Jino and others – are truly Shennong, the legendary Divine Farmer who tasted a hundred herbs.
When I go observing at the market, I befriend the stallholders. It is precisely these stallholders who have become the promoters of foraged wild greens. People in the surrounding areas ask them to sell, and payment can be put on credit – sell as much as you can, and it’s no trouble if the rest goes unsold. That is how the range of foraged wild greens at Zhuanxin Farmers’ Market has grown year after year. One of the stallholders is a woman who sells foraged wild greens – she is wonderfully forthright, so I kept observing her and chatting with her. Her stall has the widest selection. Once I counted them up, and the varieties on display numbered an astonishing 106.


III. Matsutake – Eaten to the Brink of Extinction
Li Ruijun has in fact been researching the culture of wild mushrooms in Yunnan for some time and has written articles about them for Foodthink, The Paper and other outlets. Could he help us understand the story behind the wild-mushroom boom?
Li Ruijun: As far as I can tell, a rather obvious watershed in the rise of wild greens and wild mushrooms was 2020. Because of the pandemic, people’s attitudes were quite contradictory. On the one hand, some felt that eating wild food posed a risk. On the other, many people who had been cooped up in the city for ages threw themselves into nature in search of relaxation, paying far more attention to their health and wanting to eat things they perceived as natural and wholesome.
What struck me most vividly was what I saw on the mountains in Yunnan in July 2020. You could barely take a single step without spotting a piece of litter, and another step or two brought you up against yet more people. That year, enormous numbers of people flooded into the forests and hillsides, foraging for mushrooms and wild greens in particular. What was rather frantic was that they would pick whatever they saw, without any corresponding knowledge – they simply assumed that anything from the wild, anything natural, must be good. Previously, in the city, the wild greens and mushrooms they ate had mostly been bought from markets, where safety oversight had effectively stripped away much of the risk of consumption. But when you are foraging in the wild yourself and lack the necessary knowledge, the risk is very high. So that year, the number of cases of poisoning from wild greens and mushrooms in Yunnan skyrocketed, and several made it into the trending lists.
Now, back to matsutake being eaten to the brink of extinction. This has a great deal to do with the nature of the mushroom itself. Its growth cycle is very long – the mycelium may have to grow beneath the soil for seven, eight years or even longer before it pushes through the surface and matures. But a very powerful supply chain has now formed around matsutake, and demand is genuinely voracious. The pace at which they are being consumed may simply outstrip the pace at which they can grow. Once the forest slopes are contracted out section by section, the entire yield is effectively booked up before the season even begins. On top of that, in recent years the climate has changed, and Yunnan has grown progressively drier, with less and less rainfall, so fewer and fewer mushrooms are coming up. This year the mushroom season started roughly two weeks later than usual, and the quantities have been exceptionally small. And so matsutake grows ever scarcer, ever harder to obtain, and ever more precious.

Li Ruijun: There is a legend that matsutake was the only species capable of growing in the nuclear blast zone after the atomic bombings of Japan, though to this day that claim has never been substantiated – it has simply become an urban legend. Then, in a commercial context, ever more mysterious properties were added to its mystique. Some people say that eating it can fight cancer, and a handful of nutritional studies have been cited as evidence, claiming that matsutake alcohol has an effect on cancer cells. But we all know that even if a substance has an effect, you have to consider dosage, course of treatment and so on before it means anything. After commercial packaging, though, it simply became: eat matsutake and cure cancer. Even funnier is the fact that matsutake alcohol is concentrated in the thin membrane under the cap, so the advice became: no matter how you prepare it, don’t damage that layer. This in turn cemented the phenomenon whereby an uncapped matsutake is worth more than one whose cap has opened.
So matsutake grew ever more shrouded in mystery. One thread is the urban legend, which turned it into a kind of myth; the second is dwindling supply, which made it ever scarcer. Layer on top of all that commercial packaging, and matsutake has become something almost supernatural.
The same pattern applies to other things too. Take the truffle, for instance – it is, in essence, a traditional edible fungus. But because truffles carry a distinctive, exotic fragrance not unlike the pheromone smell of a rutting boar, people have this rather simple folk notion that eating something bestows its virtues upon you. It is not just Chinese people who think that way – people abroad do too. So the claim went: eat this, and you will radiate charm. Once this idea made its way to China and was dressed up in commercial packaging, it quickly dovetailed with traditional Chinese notions of health and nourishment, and it became: eating truffles is good for women, and good for men too. In truth, when we used to eat truffles, none of this rhetoric existed.
Ban Xia: Besides matsutake, truffles are becoming harder and harder for us to get hold of as well – they are almost being dug to extinction. In Italy and France, truffle harvesting is regulated by law: harvesters must rely on dogs or pigs to sniff the truffles out before they can be collected. Those who go out specifically to find truffles are called truffle hunters. In China, truffle dogs have been introduced in Chuxiong, one of our mushroom-producing areas, but simply no one is willing to do it that way. I have watched videos of truffle harvesting where every scrap of earth has been turned over, dug at least half a metre deep. The truffles being dug up keep getting smaller and smaller – cut open, they are white, at best grey, never that deep, mature black.


IV. Foraging Wild Greens: Steeped in Tradition
Sun Shan is a co-founder of the Shan Shui Conservation Center and currently serves as its chair. She began farming in 2015, exploring the land, agriculture, food, ecology, and a self-sufficient way of life. She now lives in Ottawa, Canada, where she runs the Chi Garden Ecological Farm and Fermentation Kitchen. She has previously hosted a natural herbal ointment workshop at Foodthink and has shared her food-and-farming philosophy and practice – rooted in ecology – on several occasions.
Sun Shan: The tradition of foraging wild greens and mushrooms exists not only in China but all over the world. Because of my background in ecology, combined with my own work in small-scale agriculture and nature education, I have taken a keen interest in the foraging traditions of different regions.
The first tradition that shaped me is, of course, the one I grew up with as a northerner from Northeast China. From a young age, I came into contact with all sorts of wild greens. And since I studied ecology, my academic and professional life has also given me a solid grounding in botany.
The second tradition that shaped me comes from North America’s Indigenous peoples. Before Europeans arrived in the Americas – before natural landscapes were transformed into today’s industrial agriculture and urban sprawl – these communities, like other peoples around the world, had already accumulated a wealth of local traditional knowledge. This encompassed not only wild greens and mushrooms for food, but also medicinal knowledge, knowledge of ecosystems, and far more. During the process of colonisation, much of this rich Indigenous knowledge was not passed on. Instead, it became scarce knowledge – something that, beyond Indigenous communities themselves, most people no longer know.

Sun Shan: The third tradition I have learned from comes from European settlers. What they brought with them was largely the European system of botany, along with the herbal medicine tradition. For instance, the Peterson Field Guides series includes a volume called Field Guide to Edible Wild Plants, which describes several hundred edible and medicinal plants found in eastern and central North America. There are many similar reference books in North America, most of them written by European herbalists and botanists, though increasing numbers are now incorporating Indigenous food systems and harvesting methods.

Sun Shan: Beyond reference books, there are numerous wild-harvesting groups. Here in Ottawa, for example, there is a group called Foragers of Ottawa, whose members come from various cultural backgrounds and regularly ask one another questions in the group chat – how to pick a particular wild green, whether it can be picked at all, and so on. What these books and communities emphasise above all are two points: first, safety – how to distinguish edible plants from look-alike species that are actually toxic; and second, sustainability – how to harvest in moderation without harming the ecosystem.

Sun Shan: The herbalist Nicole Tek has developed a set of foraging ethics based on levels of impact. At the lowest level are species that are abundant and widespread – garlic mustard (Alliaria petiolata), for example, is an invasive species; it will grow even through the worst storms, and no matter how much you pick, you need never worry about driving it to extinction. At the highest level are species that are extremely endangered and highly vulnerable. For these, we should all be protective – however tempting they may be to eat, they must absolutely never be harvested. This includes the slow-growing native perennial species in forests. Much of this foraging ethic draws on teachings followed by Indigenous peoples, who have forged a sustainable relationship of coexistence with natural ecosystems.

Sun Shan: It is simply impossible to forage for wild greens without viewing nature through an ecosystem lens. Our ecosystems are, after all, profoundly diverse. The British writer Richard Mabey records a charming detail in his book Weeds: In Defence of Nature’s Most Unloved. The botanist Salisbury went out for a walk in the wilds and, upon returning home, raised over twenty species – three hundred plants in total – from the scraps he collected from the turned-up hem of his trousers. And this rich ecosystem is shared – it sustains not only humans but also insects and countless other creatures. So whenever we talk about wild greens, we must never forget this ecosystem perspective.


V. What Is It Like to Grow Wild Greens in the City?

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VI. Wild Greens: A Gift from Every Local Ecosystem
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This article first appeared on Tencent News in the programme Yilai Lai Lao Ke (Let’s Talk Science)
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Republished on Foodthink’s official account with permission
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